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You fragged... - MUZA ZA FREE

MUZA ZA FREE — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:16:43 +0200

Hey,

hahaha nice frag :D ubuntu 8.04 :D hahah

:D
RESPECT, you killed my OS !:D

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - bytecoders

bytecoders — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:05:29 +0200

Ubuntu no contribuye a Debian y encima hace el trabajo mal
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Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - RAOF

RAOF — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:35 +0200

All our buildds have /bin/sh -> dash, this is our default sh, and I (mistakenly) thought that \n -> newline in echo was POSIX (it's implementation defined, apparently). Stupid man sh, stupid me!

Your fix is really a fix, being actually portable. The Ubuntu bug has been re-opened.

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - MadCoder

MadCoder — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:26:38 +0200

FWIW the proper fix is not to use printf at all but use:

python -c "statement1; statement2; statement3"

@Chris: I thought Ubuntu had a CoC ? or does it apply only in teletubyland (_that_ would be a quite convenient CoC then) ?

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - jldugger

jldugger — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:25:23 +0200

It can be frustrating to send patches upstream and be shot down, but I don't think that Ubuntu developers should allow the letdowns to discourage them, even if they comprise the majority of interactions with Debian.

In this particular case, the developer seems to have decided Debian upstream wasn't interested in fixing bash-isms. I'm glad to hear you are. Indeed, I wish there was a better way to handle. Partly I think the direct antagonism directed at Ubuntu makes people care less about working with Debian, resulting in less than optimal systems like patches.ubuntu.com with little or no documentation. I realize that the amateur efforts that sometimes represent Ubuntu Universe are less than perfect. Still, I like Ubuntu and Debian, and I hope the future finds some better policies, algorithms and communications to make this work with less friction on both sides. A posting on a blog indexed by Planet Debian should not be the best avenue to pursue such things, but it seems for the moment it is =(

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - jd

jd — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:01:34 +0200

We assume that /bin/sh can be dash as well.

If the fix is correct in Ubuntu, you assume that /bin/sh will never be bash?

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - RAOF

RAOF — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:37:29 +0200

I filed & fixed the Ubuntu bug (the fix is correct in Ubuntu, but /usr/bin/printf is indeed more correct, thanks).

I can't remember exactly why I didn't file a Debian bug as well, but it was probably because: (1) I didn't have a Debian system at the time to test it on, and (2) It shouldn't have adversely affected the Debian package at all, since you use bash for /bin/sh.

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - Chris Cunningham

Chris Cunningham — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:54:09 +0200

All things considered, considering that I haven't the patience of saints, I probably wouldn't make much of an effort to submit my patches to sociopathic dicks (that's debian-fr, by the way) if I could, either. Unsurprisingly, this is self-perpetuating, which is why it's 500% more likely that a random debian-fr user is going to troll Planet Debian about uncooperative upstreams/downstreams comparing to normal DDs.

Apologies to the few French DDs tarred with this brush who don't spend most of their free time making other free software developers less inclined to cooperate with debian. But then, I imagine they stopped reading this blog a while ago.

- Chris

[ping] Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - cpunk - the cypherblog

cpunk - the cypherblog — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:35:04 +0200

Ubuntu Debian

Noch gut erinnere ich mich an den abschätzigen Kommentar eines Freundes, Ubuntu sei ein Betriebssystem für Hippies... Dazu mag allerdings so gar nicht der Vorwurf der Debianer passen, Ubuntu profitiere zwar eine Menge vom Debian-Projekt, gebe aber......

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - jd

jd — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:19:54 +0200

Already commited with printf, yes.

Ubuntu: not contributing to Debian, and even doing bad work - Daniel Jacobowitz

Daniel Jacobowitz — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:15:27 +0200

If you still want to fix the bug, I recommend /usr/bin/printf for this sort of thing.